Comments on: Do I pray to dead people? http://www.optionc.net/2009/03/do-i-pray-to-dead-people/ Christ is the best choice Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:22:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Lawson "Trip" Cox http://www.optionc.net/2009/03/do-i-pray-to-dead-people/comment-page-1/#comment-97 Lawson "Trip" Cox Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:22:12 +0000 http://www.optionc.net/?p=160#comment-97 Making statues isn’t idolatry. Worshiping statues as gods is idolatry. God forbids idolatry (Exodus 20), but also commands that statues and other graven images be made to worship the true God (Exodus 25). See my essay “Do Catholics Worship Statues and Images?” at http://www.optionc.net/essays/do-catholics-worship-statues-and-images/ I and my fellow Catholics worship only God. We show honor to the saints, but not worship. I suggest that you read this article to better understand our belief and practice: http://www.catholic.com/library/Saint_Worship.asp Making statues isn’t idolatry. Worshiping statues as gods is idolatry. God forbids idolatry (Exodus 20), but also commands that statues and other graven images be made to worship the true God (Exodus 25). See my essay “Do Catholics Worship Statues and Images?” at http://www.optionc.net/essays/do-catholics-worship-statues-and-images/

I and my fellow Catholics worship only God. We show honor to the saints, but not worship. I suggest that you read this article to better understand our belief and practice:
http://www.catholic.com/library/Saint_Worship.asp

]]> By: Realx!ian http://www.optionc.net/2009/03/do-i-pray-to-dead-people/comment-page-1/#comment-96 Realx!ian Sun, 12 Apr 2009 06:25:28 +0000 http://www.optionc.net/?p=160#comment-96 Dear Lawson., i c, u hav lots of misinterpretations of bible.. Let me tel u a few things- wot does exodus 20:4 say, u r not supposed to make any graven image of nethin in heaven, earth or below d earth or bow down n worship it.. But i c, der is not catholic church widout idols of mary n a number of saints inside it. N ppl do bow down.. y go so far, pope john paul 2, had publicly accepted dat he was a great mary lover, der are snaps of him bowing n adoring d statue of mary.. Oxford dictionary says- worshippin means- adoring, great devotion.. Isnt it idoltary?? Now are u goin to find ne words from d bible supporting dis? In order to make it legal, pope removed dat commandment.. Now comin bk to d topic of praying to saints.. U did justify dat protestants ask each other to pray for dem. Do keep in mind dat, dose prayer requests r only like- my someone is ill, pls pray so dat he or she gets wel., i need to write dis exam, pls pray dat i'm able to do it well... N it is never of d sort of please pray for forgiveness of my sins, or please pray dat i go to heaven.. Wot paul meant is praying for each other, supporting each other.. N its not praying to each other to pray for us.. Most of Catholic doctrines are like first a law is framed, n den dey search verses to support it.. Even if it doesnt support, dey make it support.. Can u show me one example where neone has prayed to a saint in bible? Saints can hear, or see, or pray is none of ur business.. Can dey read ur mind? Dey r not present everywhere.. Dey go to heaven, doesnt mean dat dey hav all d powers like God.. U do show revelations dat d saints had a bowl of prayers.. But, did i ever say dat saints pray for dose prayers? Infact wherevr its talked abt saints, bible does mention dat, d ones in heaven are ever praising God,.. N not taking care of ur prayer requests.. D portions which u showed from some macch, n tobith, hav been evaluated to be not portions of d standard bible.. N even if u say jeremiah prayed for d ppl, noone from earth prayed to him to pray.. N where do u find d names of dose hundreds of saints dat u hav - st.lawrence, st.dominic, st.besant, st.sebastin, etc etc.. On wot basis do u ask dem to pray? Bible clearly says not to eat d food which has been sacrificed to idols of other religions, i cannot for sure trust d doctrines of a church which, goes beyond bible n grants permission to eat it,.. I cant believe it wot u ppl r taught in ur catechism- dey hate protestants like hell, but dey feel dat if a hindu prays to his god properly, he'l reach heaven! Dis was said to me by a catholic, who accordin to ur scarement stuff only marriage was remainin. Just evaluate urself my dear.. Remember v r not ur enemies. V r all brothers in christ. Feel so hurt to c u ppl following wrong doctrines n headin to hell.. Just c ur rosary thing. More dan worshippin father, it includes hail mary. Y so much honor to her, n so less to father? When u read dis, instead of justifyin ur acts just scrutinize ur church's teachings in d face of word of God. Even baptism.. Lots to tel u. If u wish to know, pls write bk... I wud be more dan happy to tel u... Dear Lawson., i c, u hav lots of misinterpretations of bible.. Let me tel u a few things- wot does exodus 20:4 say, u r not supposed to make any graven image of nethin in heaven, earth or below d earth or bow down n worship it.. But i c, der is not catholic church widout idols of mary n a number of saints inside it. N ppl do bow down.. y go so far, pope john paul 2, had publicly accepted dat he was a great mary lover, der are snaps of him bowing n adoring d statue of mary.. Oxford dictionary says- worshippin means- adoring, great devotion.. Isnt it idoltary?? Now are u goin to find ne words from d bible supporting dis? In order to make it legal, pope removed dat commandment.. Now comin bk to d topic of praying to saints.. U did justify dat protestants ask each other to pray for dem. Do keep in mind dat, dose prayer requests r only like- my someone is ill, pls pray so dat he or she gets wel., i need to write dis exam, pls pray dat i’m able to do it well… N it is never of d sort of please pray for forgiveness of my sins, or please pray dat i go to heaven.. Wot paul meant is praying for each other, supporting each other.. N its not praying to each other to pray for us.. Most of Catholic doctrines are like first a law is framed, n den dey search verses to support it.. Even if it doesnt support, dey make it support.. Can u show me one example where neone has prayed to a saint in bible? Saints can hear, or see, or pray is none of ur business.. Can dey read ur mind? Dey r not present everywhere.. Dey go to heaven, doesnt mean dat dey hav all d powers like God.. U do show revelations dat d saints had a bowl of prayers.. But, did i ever say dat saints pray for dose prayers? Infact wherevr its talked abt saints, bible does mention dat, d ones in heaven are ever praising God,.. N not taking care of ur prayer requests.. D portions which u showed from some macch, n tobith, hav been evaluated to be not portions of d standard bible.. N even if u say jeremiah prayed for d ppl, noone from earth prayed to him to pray.. N where do u find d names of dose hundreds of saints dat u hav – st.lawrence, st.dominic, st.besant, st.sebastin, etc etc.. On wot basis do u ask dem to pray? Bible clearly says not to eat d food which has been sacrificed to idols of other religions, i cannot for sure trust d doctrines of a church which, goes beyond bible n grants permission to eat it,.. I cant believe it wot u ppl r taught in ur catechism- dey hate protestants like hell, but dey feel dat if a hindu prays to his god properly, he’l reach heaven! Dis was said to me by a catholic, who accordin to ur scarement stuff only marriage was remainin. Just evaluate urself my dear.. Remember v r not ur enemies. V r all brothers in christ. Feel so hurt to c u ppl following wrong doctrines n headin to hell.. Just c ur rosary thing. More dan worshippin father, it includes hail mary. Y so much honor to her, n so less to father? When u read dis, instead of justifyin ur acts just scrutinize ur church’s teachings in d face of word of God. Even baptism.. Lots to tel u. If u wish to know, pls write bk… I wud be more dan happy to tel u…

]]> By: Lawson "Trip" Cox http://www.optionc.net/2009/03/do-i-pray-to-dead-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95 Lawson "Trip" Cox Sun, 12 Apr 2009 01:28:53 +0000 http://www.optionc.net/?p=160#comment-95 While Jesus is our “one mediator” in the ultimate sense (1 Tim 2:5), we are told to act as intermediaries as well, by offering “prayers” and “intercessions” for all men (1 Tim 2:1). It is not true, as prasanthon wrote, that “no one can take us to God, only Jesus.” Believers witness to unbelievers all the time, taking them to God and leading them to salvation. Fellow believers are encouraged to “pray for one another” (James 5:16). This in no way compromises Jesus’ place as the “one mediator between God and men.” You and I are connected as fellow members of the body of Christ. Death does not break that connection. We see the deceased prophet Jeremiah praying in heaven for God’s people on earth (2 Macc 15:14). We see Jesus on earth communicating with the deceased Moses and Elijah (Matt 17:3, Luke 9:30). This indicates that there is a real connection between the members of the body of Christ in heaven and the members on earth. The saints in heaven are aware of the happenings of earth. They surround us as a great “cloud of witnesses” (Hebrews 12:1) and intercede for us (Rev 5:8; Baruch 3:4). If the prayers of imperfect believers here on earth are beneficial (James 5:16), how much more do the prayers of perfected believers (Heb 12:23) in heaven benefit us! While Jesus is our “one mediator” in the ultimate sense (1 Tim 2:5), we are told to act as intermediaries as well, by offering “prayers” and “intercessions” for all men (1 Tim 2:1). It is not true, as prasanthon wrote, that “no one can take us to God, only Jesus.” Believers witness to unbelievers all the time, taking them to God and leading them to salvation. Fellow believers are encouraged to “pray for one another” (James 5:16). This in no way compromises Jesus’ place as the “one mediator between God and men.”

You and I are connected as fellow members of the body of Christ. Death does not break that connection. We see the deceased prophet Jeremiah praying in heaven for God’s people on earth (2 Macc 15:14). We see Jesus on earth communicating with the deceased Moses and Elijah (Matt 17:3, Luke 9:30). This indicates that there is a real connection between the members of the body of Christ in heaven and the members on earth.

The saints in heaven are aware of the happenings of earth. They surround us as a great “cloud of witnesses” (Hebrews 12:1) and intercede for us (Rev 5:8; Baruch 3:4).

If the prayers of imperfect believers here on earth are beneficial (James 5:16), how much more do the prayers of perfected believers (Heb 12:23) in heaven benefit us!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.optionc.net/2009/03/do-i-pray-to-dead-people/comment-page-1/#comment-94 Anonymous Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:11:39 +0000 http://www.optionc.net/?p=160#comment-94 I agree with prasanth. If Christ Jesus is your only interceder, why would you need a saint to intercede between you and your true interceder? God isn't convoluted like that. Furthermore, Christ taught that if you accept Him, then you are in Him who is in the Father. Why do you need to praise and give adoration to the dead when you have the Holy Ghost inside of you, helping you with your prayers? Nowhere is the practice of praying to fallen brethren condoned or supported in Scripture. I agree with prasanth. If Christ Jesus is your only interceder, why would you need a saint to intercede between you and your true interceder? God isn’t convoluted like that. Furthermore, Christ taught that if you accept Him, then you are in Him who is in the Father. Why do you need to praise and give adoration to the dead when you have the Holy Ghost inside of you, helping you with your prayers? Nowhere is the practice of praying to fallen brethren condoned or supported in Scripture.

]]> By: prasanth http://www.optionc.net/2009/03/do-i-pray-to-dead-people/comment-page-1/#comment-85 prasanth Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:25:32 +0000 http://www.optionc.net/?p=160#comment-85 dear friend what ever you say no one in this world or any saints cant take you to god, only jesus. dear friend what ever you say no one in this world or any saints cant take you to god, only jesus.

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